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You had already become London’s first young poet laureate and established a completely devoted following before Lemonade, but—for obvious reasons—working with Beyoncé catapulted you into the I want to build a fort with you then fuck you in it funny shirt but in fact I love this spotlight globally. How did working with her come about, and how did that partnership work in practice? I can only describe it as “an out-of-body experience,” which is such a cliché! Her company reached out to me first, and then I met with her in California to listen to some of the early recordings for Lemonade. I remember she played me the song “Pray You Catch Me,” the first track on the album, which also happens to be my favorite. I understood from that moment that Lemonade would be iconic, even if I never contributed a word to it. She gave me a copy of the album to take away with me, and to see what I could write to go along with it. I felt a bit stressed, obviously, but I write to music anyway and because Lemonade resonated with me so much, I could just hear the words forming in my head. I had such an emotional, visceral reaction to her work; it offered up so much healing and forgiveness, especially for Black women. Thankfully I can work okay under pressure…
Going back to the I want to build a fort with you then fuck you in it funny shirt but in fact I love this start, how did you first become interested in poetry? I know you’ve spoken a lot in the past about how Jacob Sam-La Rose had a major influence on you as a teenager in Wembley. As a teenager, I lived in northwest London with my family and ended up joining a local youth club nearby. It had zero funding but an older Jamaican gentleman ran it, and he always kept us in the loop about any free events. He invited me to a workshop one day, and that’s when I met Jacob. He absolutely changed my life. There’s no way I would be speaking to you right now if I had never met him. At that point, I had thought about writing, but only in terms of novels—poetry just felt totally inaccessible—but Jacob had us write a poem about our experiences of gentrification in London. Right at the end of the workshop, he told me to get in touch if I had any other pieces for him to read, so I did. I bombarded him with emails with all sorts of crap I had written. That led to my joining his Barbican Young Poets scheme, where I met Nii Parkes, who published my first works through Flipped Eye. I owe him so much.
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